Happy Easter, y’all. Bill and I have plans to enjoy Easter lunch at one of our favorite local restaurants, Villa Im Tal. We’ve been there a bunch of times over the past few years, and it’s always been a real delight. I realize I’m very lucky to get to enjoy such a meal with my husband in a safe, clean, pleasant country. I’ve mentioned it before, but I want to say it again. I will be forever grateful to Germany for giving us time out of our homeland. Things are clearly pretty crazy over there right now.
Recently, I wrote about my hometown friend, “Diane”, who lamented about the effect Donald Trump has had on people back home. Diane and I both grew up in Gloucester, Virginia, which is a deeply red Virginia county, located on the Middle Peninsula. Diane is a very nice woman who has managed to keep most of her friends from Gloucester, even though she doesn’t support Trump at all.
I, on the other hand, was never a very popular person in Gloucester, so I don’t maintain a lot of close friendships from there. Because Diane is still friends with a lot of conservatives from back home, I often run into them whenever I comment on her political posts. Fortunately, it’s not that often that I make comments, nor does she post a lot of political stuff. When I do comment, it’s usually to show solidarity and support for Diane’s more progressive views. It’s not because I want to have a debate with anyone over politics.
Yesterday, I had an unpleasant interaction with one of Diane’s friends. She had shared the below post that was on the God page…
A lot of Diane’s friends were opining, and quite a few of them were just as disgusted as Diane is about Trump’s latest vulgar fundraising scheme. But there was one guy on there– another from our hometown– who was doggedly insisting that Donald Trump is a much better candidate for POTUS than Joe Biden is. I remember this fellow from our school days in the 1980s, but only by his name. I don’t think I’ve ever had an in person conversation with him. I’ll call him Jack.
Jack spouted off about how he works for the military, although I don’t think he’s in it. He claimed that the people he knows who are in the military are constantly telling him about how Trump was a much better leader… or something along those lines. I didn’t directly respond to Jack, but I did make a general comment about how Bill has spent the last 40 years associated with the US Army– 30 years in uniform, and ten as a contractor. He’s not a Trump supporter. Neither are a lot of his associates, although political proclivities in the military are typically varied.
I mentioned that we live in Germany, where people have elected leaders like Trump before. That is a very embarrassing aspect of history for Germans, and I suspect that it will one day be deeply embarrassing for Americans, too. Another friend commended me for “rational thinking”, and then made a humorous quip about how his Mensa member daughter doesn’t want to have children, and how that’s going to affect future generations (that smart people aren’t breeding). I really can’t blame her for that. Below is exactly what I posted:
My husband has been in/working with the Army since 1984. He is not a Trump supporter. Anyone who would “joke” about being a dictator is not someone who needs the nuclear codes. Trump couldn’t even get a security clearance if he was trying to get a regular government or military job. My husband spent 30 years in uniform and 10 years working as a contractor for various “coms”. He knows of what he speaks.
We live in Germany, where people have direct experience with leaders like Trump. It’s a source of deep shame for people here, and I think it will be a deep source of shame for Americans, too.
I don’t know what Trump has to do before otherwise decent people realize that he is not a good leader. Notice none of the people who worked with him are endorsing him. That includes a lot of very prominent and basically respectable Republicans.
It’s true. Think of the Republicans who aren’t endorsing Trump: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, Mike Pence, Arnold Schwarzenegger… and more. The Republican Party no longer resembles what it was in my father’s day. It was bad enough then, but now it’s become a truly horrifying cult. People have surrendered common sense to their undying loyalty to a political party.
Well… hours later, Jack tagged me in a comment. He wrote a diatribe about how German farmers were revolting over Germany’s “socialist” government. I calmly responded that Germany’s government isn’t “socialist”. If you want to get technical, Germany has a Federal Parliamentary Republic with a social market economy. It’s basically like capitalism with more social safety nets for the people…. a regulated market economy. It bears no resemblance to, say, China’s economy. It’s certainly not socialism.
Jack kept on about the farmers protesting. He wrote this:
I think Germany is having their own issues like us with a socialist government. We all see how socialism works! Look at your farmers over there, they will tell you the real story about the government. And all of them would vote for trump.
Then, Jack asked me this…
did you see the farmers protesting?
I’m sure Jack probably meant to ask me if I’d seen the news coverage about the farmers. But what he actually asked me is if I’d seen the farmers protesting. And the answer to that question is, no, I hadn’t. I was picturing a bunch of guys in overalls with tractors, carrying pitchforks and flaming tiki torches in my neighborhood. I can truthfully state that no, I haven’t seen that, and I live near open fields where farming goes on. I did hear about the protests, but they didn’t affect my life in the slightest, because they happened in Berlin and I live hours away, in Wiesbaden. So I responded thusly:
No, I did not personally see farmers protesting. It is not uncommon for people to strike over here for better pay and working conditions, though. It’s generally very civilized.
…I have lived here for going on ten years this time, and it’s pretty awesome, if only because there are way fewer guns. As for German Trump supporters, I have yet to meet a single one.
Strikes go on all the time in Germany. So do protests. They’re generally not a big deal, and when they happen, the powers that be do their best to minimize inconveniences to the non-involved. From my observations, they seem to be more like social events, where groups make their concerns known. Then, afterwards, they all go out for a beer or two. The one time I was personally affected by a strike was in 2015, when the airport workers were striking. Lines through security were longer, and it was kind of a pain. But workers who weren’t striking brought out chairs for elderly and infirm people, and handed out free bottles of water. It was hardly a riot situation.
In any case, since Jack asked me if I’d “seen farmers protesting”, I answered honestly that I hadn’t. He came back with this:
In 2023 Germany was labeled as the 15th most electoral democratic country in the world.
Yet you don’t know why the farmers were protesting?
You’ve been living in a country and you’re oblivious to the surrounding politics. Just like the USA, correct?
Um… I think he assumes a lot… But I responded with this comment:
I said I did not see them protesting. That’s what you asked.
I am not oblivious to anything.
And I must interject here that he brought up farmers, which really has nothing to do with my original comment about living in Germany, which is that people here have already experienced life under an autocratic leader. It didn’t end well for them. That was the only point I was making when I mentioned Germany. He’s the one who brought up farmers.
Bill later determined that he had clued in on an article posted on Fox News back in January about a group of a few dozen German farmers protesting in Berlin. They blocked streets with their tractors and put humorous signs on them that read, for example: “No beer without farmers.” This was all basically spun up by the far right political group, Alternative for Germany (AFD). I’m not saying it wasn’t newsworthy stuff, but he was acting like it was a huge deal that affected our daily lives. Local news coverage here is also in German, which I’m sad to report that I still don’t understand 100 percent.
Still, he was dying to goad me into an argument, so he continued:
no news coverage? You see I think you are, just like most people on this page. Most don’t have a brain in this chat.
The one thing that’s funny to me is none of you can say what is going on in the world, you have no clue.
I don’t vote for people just for the person in office. I vote for policies.
The fact that my taxes are higher, inflation is on the rise (bidenomics), gas is high due to the Biden shutting down our pipeline and making it hard to run my boat on the weekends, we are not independent on our own energy, the green new deal that isn’t green (killing whales and wildlife), funding Ukraine that needs to hurry up and just lose already because they are a hole that we are putting money in. Immigration laws don’t exist because of Biden and now we have millions and millions fleeing in the country, (I’ve seen a bunch of illegals in Virginia already)
But you guys being the “smart people” of the group can’t explain any policies, or what Biden has done for America! Its great to know all of you don’t have a brain
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By this point, I was getting pretty annoyed with Jack. I’ll confess that I didn’t even bother to read his screed, because I could tell it was full of insults and sarcasm. I don’t engage in debates with people who use words like “illegals” to describe other human beings. I suspect he was getting frustrated with me, because I simply refused to address his unhinged commentary about German farmers, informed only by Fox News and other biased news sources. So I posted this response:
I am not going to argue with you. You certainly have the right to vote for whomever you wish. I do not like Trump or the MAGA movement for a vast multitude of reasons, so I won’t be voting for them. Fortunately, I still have the right to vote as I please, so that’s what I plan to do.
Happy Easter.
Most people would take the above comment as a sign that I’m not interested in a debate. I even wished him a Happy Easter. But Jack simply couldn’t let it go. He was like a dog with a proverbial bone. And he just had to throw in a couple more ad hominem attacks:
you can’t argue your side because you have no clue what you’re talking about! This is what I mean, the uneducated show themselves because they have no clue. Thanks for proving my point just like every other democrat
Again… I think he assumes a lot about me. We’ve never met in person. And I’m not actually a Democrat. I don’t belong to any specific political party. I am just voting for Democrats now, because they aren’t Donald Trump. To me, that’s simply the logical thing to do.
Then he added this gem: “I suggest you don’t vote since you don’t live here.”
I’ll bet he wouldn’t say that if I were a Trump supporter, like he is. And I bet he wouldn’t dare say that to the many military and government workers who live abroad and vote the way he does. Apparently, Jack thinks that only people who will vote for a man who admires autocrats should be voting. That is a very un-American attitude to take, in my opinion. I think Jack should go back to 8th grade civics class and remember that diversity in thinking is a beneficial thing in a free society. But I wanted to reassure him, so I wrote this:
No, I will be voting, because I am an American citizen and it’s my right and responsibility to do so. And I don’t care to argue with people who think Germany has a socialist government.
I think that was actually the closest I came to insulting Jack, who had already insulted me several times by that point. Then he added this parting shot:
lol nope, you just don’t understand politics, it’s okay go back to your bubble now
Wow… what a massive jerk Jack is. But I didn’t call him that on Diane’s page. Instead, I wrote this:
Whatever you say. (shrug)
I am not wasting precious time and energy arguing with someone with his head so far up Trump’s massive, filthy, Depends draped asshole, especially on another person’s Facebook page. And Jack is free to think I’m uneducated and don’t understand politics if he wants… just like he’s free to believe Trump was “robbed” of the presidency and isn’t a crook, and gas prices and inflation are the single most important issues Americans are facing. People I actually love and care about have said much worse to me. I know the truth about myself. Besides, he’d be woefully wrong on all counts. But that is typical of most Trump supporters, isn’t it?
On another note… I am SO SICK of people who don’t live in Germany, and have likely never even been here to visit, telling me how life is here based SOLELY on what they’ve watched or read on Fox News. It’s tiresome and infuriating at the very least.
Oh well. Time to put this unpleasant interaction behind me and get on with our Easter holiday.
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